tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post4272698518300394978..comments2024-03-29T01:07:22.708+11:00Comments on The Adventurers Guild: Game 58: Leisure Suit Larry 5: Passionate Patty Does A Little Undercover Work (1991) - IntroductionThe Tricksterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01419316208187255801noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-24623381843577908542015-08-29T10:29:41.668+10:002015-08-29T10:29:41.668+10:00I'm getting a "hey! listen!" vibe he...I'm getting a "hey! listen!" vibe here.DialMforMarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05991827182885226471noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-88385274104293481192015-08-04T17:18:01.345+10:002015-08-04T17:18:01.345+10:00Great article.
>One of the most frustrating th...Great article.<br /><br />>One of the most frustrating things about early graphic adventures is that<br />>most of the problems from which they suffered had already been encountered,<br />>discussed, and at least to some extent solved by Infocom.<br /><br />I always assumed Infocom games were filled with these issues as well, but now it looks like there's more of an incentive for me to play them.Laukkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258625692586860655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-64021068059697549352015-08-04T14:53:56.771+10:002015-08-04T14:53:56.771+10:00*Starts praying to Cthulhu and the Yellow King**Starts praying to Cthulhu and the Yellow King*Kenny McCormickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01553499727945099493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-2548672752632639782015-08-04T00:59:53.547+10:002015-08-04T00:59:53.547+10:00LOL, Scruemall indeed.
Judging from what other pe...LOL, Scruemall indeed.<br /><br />Judging from what other people said, I don't think this will beat either version of Larry 1, so I'm going to guess 52.Fryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07805219432946673379noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-58771475984558881732015-08-03T19:17:21.836+10:002015-08-03T19:17:21.836+10:00We're altering the deal. Pray we don't alt...We're altering the deal. Pray we don't alter it any further.TBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815382857422719383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-90944824210015995162015-08-03T16:23:25.263+10:002015-08-03T16:23:25.263+10:00@Ilmari - Actually, I think it raises all valid po...@Ilmari - Actually, I think it raises all valid points. But considering that this article is decades too late to address the issue, I feel that it's kinda moot. Sophisticated computer games were still very much in their infancy. There will definitely be some stumbling over while taking their baby steps. Those mistakes pave the way for better gameplay upon correction and innovative mechanisms to ensure that no mistakes are potentially game-breaking.<br /><br />I can even safely say that, without these early adventure games, there will be no adventure games in our current era (or, at the very least, unrecognizable from its current form... I'll have to take an InterKron back to the past and convince the Williams not to touch adventure games back in 1980) at all.Kenny McCormickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01553499727945099493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-4821690945004020892015-08-03T16:03:38.767+10:002015-08-03T16:03:38.767+10:00I dunno, man. I wasn't informed! I remembered ...I dunno, man. I wasn't informed! I remembered asking it on a Missed Classic and I was told that only Missed Classic had this treatment. I didn't know!Kenny McCormickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01553499727945099493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-65496027050382067142015-08-02T09:34:25.175+10:002015-08-02T09:34:25.175+10:00A good story trumps all. QFG4 is considered by man...A good story trumps all. QFG4 is considered by many people to be a fantastic game, yet the sheer number of bugs within it made it almost unplayable unless you had the absolute correct system to play it on. Police Quest is the fuzzy one here, for me. The game is too rigid, has too many deaths and the story's gear shift is too abrupt to feel 'right' - it would have been advantaged by the 'middle' game being a bit longer with more than just the drug bust in the park.<br /><br />Overall, though, it's very difficult to evaluate 'fun' no matter how you do it. I reckon we just shouldn't bother and just go with what we feel seems right. :)Aperamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13669724908141286435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-77431135943121785682015-08-02T04:47:20.498+10:002015-08-02T04:47:20.498+10:00You both hit the nail on the head. In this game, s...You both hit the nail on the head. In this game, some of the first bits of gameplay are in the intro, and I felt that since this is a unique way to get the player used to the interface, and it would be a bit awkward to separate those few clicks from the opening cinematic, I would just cover them together to start the next post when the real gameplay begins. I didn't think I was violating any posting tenets. Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16946742995687817751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-42163897683471769012015-08-02T04:15:33.818+10:002015-08-02T04:15:33.818+10:00The article raises couple of good questions. How d...The article raises couple of good questions. How do we evaluate what makes a good adventure game? And why do we still care about games that have such obvious design flaws as guess-the-verbs, dead ends, unexpected deaths, ridiculous puzzles etc.? Is it just nostalgia?Ilmari Jauhiainenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01655841880034965950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-21349584535020939692015-08-02T04:11:14.434+10:002015-08-02T04:11:14.434+10:00Essentially what Joe said. We try to encourage eac...Essentially what Joe said. We try to encourage each writer find their own writing style and not just slavishly copy the "Trickster-experience". Even in the intro of Larry remake Alex included bits from the game itself (the questionnaire), so this is not completely unprecedented.Ilmari Jauhiainenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01655841880034965950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-20876157912029520212015-08-01T22:56:27.974+10:002015-08-01T22:56:27.974+10:00Heads up that Trickster's review of Space Ques...Heads up that Trickster's review of Space Quest I is cited in this blog:<br /><br />http://www.filfre.net/2015/07/the-14-deadly-sins-of-graphic-adventure-design/Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-66677993468410674792015-08-01T22:15:13.947+10:002015-08-01T22:15:13.947+10:00When the blog was relaunched and we added Missed C...When the blog was relaunched and we added Missed Classics, I think it was Ilmari that had the idea of merging the first post and introduction. This is because we wanted the Missed Classics to be compact; ideally, they should rarely exceed 2-3 posts during the 80s and perhaps a bit longer as we got to newer games. This would keep the focus on the real blog posts, while still getting to explore. I think that has worked rather well.<br /><br />But, as you know, the admins give a lot of flexibility to the writers on how they want to approach a game. If Alex wanted to merge the intro and first post, then that is fine. In this case, I think the introductory sequence works well as part of the first post. (I also think that having a *little* gameplay gives everyone not familiar with the game a chance to see what it's like to make a better guess.)Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-62394069322462079192015-08-01T19:59:06.921+10:002015-08-01T19:59:06.921+10:0051 for me, just because all others are already tak...51 for me, just because all others are already taken.Laerteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03189425293036224646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-66785741960106999502015-08-01T03:39:16.310+10:002015-08-01T03:39:16.310+10:00I guess that leaves 57 for me, and that's the ...I guess that leaves 57 for me, and that's the random number that popped into my head anyway. :-)Corey Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16772474266362396768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-79918805566020103122015-07-31T22:46:58.306+10:002015-07-31T22:46:58.306+10:00My memories of this game are very vague. I do reme...My memories of this game are very vague. I do remember playing it, and maybe a couple of scenes, but I have no recollection of how much I enjoyed it. I actually have it installed on my Amiga 1200, which is hooked up in my basement, though that version is slightly uglier than this, due to having only 32 colours.<br /><br />I'll go with 53. Just because nobody else guessed that ( yet ).Torchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15929817555431987717noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-81485726302926917352015-07-31T20:34:44.589+10:002015-07-31T20:34:44.589+10:00I'm going to go with 58 as long as it's no...I'm going to go with 58 as long as it's not taken.<br /><br />I have a lot of fond memories of this game, simply because it was the first Larry game I ever played. The graphic style and simple puzzles (and gorgeous babes) really went along with the 13-years old me!Alfred n the Fettuchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15586336731691674651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-32923356611002944232015-07-31T14:24:24.002+10:002015-07-31T14:24:24.002+10:0052. Probably the most bland and unmemorable Larry ...52. Probably the most bland and unmemorable Larry game.<br /><br />As I mentioned in the past, I have the physical floppies of the rare EGA version, but a few of them have their data overwritten - by one of my parents apparently. There were even some backup copies that had been ruined too.Laukkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258625692586860655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-12770844623624701632015-07-31T12:18:57.826+10:002015-07-31T12:18:57.826+10:0054!54!Evan Stephenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18049739394359362973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-28609811401417134032015-07-31T09:02:45.204+10:002015-07-31T09:02:45.204+10:00Wait, I thought the intro+1st playthrough session ...Wait, I thought the intro+1st playthrough session is for Missed Classics only? Damn, this is fast! 55!<br /><br />Also, in the early years without Internet and living in a media-controlled nation, I thought Rob Lowe was Al Lowe's brother or something (since he didn't make the news where I'm from).Kenny McCormickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01553499727945099493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-43520694743509765882015-07-31T07:53:16.698+10:002015-07-31T07:53:16.698+10:00I'm going to give this a score of: 56.
I thin...I'm going to give this a score of: 56.<br /><br />I think it'll probably be decent enough, but I don't think it does anything particularly well enough to warrant a big score. It's a long time since I played it though, and I can only remember vague bits.Andy_Panthrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18231815646876343380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-27181953375870324362015-07-31T07:37:52.169+10:002015-07-31T07:37:52.169+10:00I think it has a certain charm to it... But this i...I think it has a certain charm to it... But this is certainly the worst of the Larry games. The only way you can really lose is via the copy protection. I remember first playing it and finding the game felt decidedly un Larrylike. It's not a bad game, but I think that where it hits in graphics et al, it gets bogged down in a story that feels not particularly cohesive. 60 to tie with Larry 1 VGA and risk our top ten blowing out in numbers again. Aperamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13669724908141286435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-37163466363318907282015-07-31T06:48:14.395+10:002015-07-31T06:48:14.395+10:00You guys are aiming too high: 57.You guys are aiming too high: 57.Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-76864018221967137252015-07-31T06:32:50.715+10:002015-07-31T06:32:50.715+10:00For no reason whatsoever, I'll guess it'll...For no reason whatsoever, I'll guess it'll be one point less than the remake: 59.<br /><br />And, having recently bought the collection from GOG, I'll play along - I might actually get further than the first section this time.TBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815382857422719383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-21407444179246830282015-07-31T04:07:21.885+10:002015-07-31T04:07:21.885+10:00This one is a bit odd. It is very un-Sierralike in...This one is a bit odd. It is very un-Sierralike in that it is just too easy - sometimes the game just directs you to the right action, if you do not manage to do it yourself. It's more like a collection of small minigames, tied together with a fun little plot that has little relevance to what you are actually doing. And every one of the small minigames has plenty of non-compulsory things to do and alternative solutions - it's easy to complete, but tough to do it in the best possible manner.<br /><br />I guess it will beat Larry remake with a point: 61.Ilmari Jauhiainenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01655841880034965950noreply@blogger.com