tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post2944072994277936623..comments2024-03-29T05:52:53.051+11:00Comments on The Adventurers Guild: Consulting Detective - Revenge of the Egyptology NerdThe Tricksterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01419316208187255801noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-3675966369681167332016-08-28T03:35:25.384+10:002016-08-28T03:35:25.384+10:00I finished the case, guessed the suspect wrong man...I finished the case, guessed the suspect wrong many times, looked at UHS and now I am furious.<br /><br />I was ABSOLUTELY SURE I guessed Travis first. Then I got like a million minus points for going through the rest of the passenger name list.<br /><br />Did I hit a glitch? I hope I didn't misclick.Laukkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258625692586860655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-18101432690474621892016-08-26T14:59:55.496+10:002016-08-26T14:59:55.496+10:00Agreed. Police don't stop when they have just ...Agreed. Police don't stop when they have just enough evidence. They get as much as they can. When they have a motive and opportunity they don't call it case closed and stop looking for the murder weapon. Investigate properly, Holmes!TBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815382857422719383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-23597933125108388202016-08-26T14:58:16.744+10:002016-08-26T14:58:16.744+10:00You beat me easily, Joe. I got 795!
I didn't ...You beat me easily, Joe. I got 795!<br /><br />I didn't keep notes, which is part of the reason, but I also didn't even get close to the proper motive.<br /><br />I may have seen too much Scooby-Doo in my life, but I thought Travis did it because they weren't respecting the Egyptian gods/heritage - and killing as the Mummy would give some god-fearing into the foreign graverobbers.<br /><br />Jinkies!!!TBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815382857422719383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-2480382847565613342016-08-26T07:33:10.835+10:002016-08-26T07:33:10.835+10:00I liked that too!
The only thing that still bugs ...I liked that too!<br /><br />The only thing that still bugs me a bit is that I wish the clues tied together better and I wish they didn't have the negative onus on the score. If anything, I want a medal if I find all the witnesses to talk to, not punished!Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-67336313863397101032016-08-26T06:53:44.391+10:002016-08-26T06:53:44.391+10:00I actually quite like the 'end summary' st...I actually quite like the 'end summary' style. It was probably more enticing in Laura Bow to me, for the simple reason that the game didn't spoil everything immediately, just giving clues as to what you might have missed (for instance, if you shoot the wrong person at the end of the game it mentions that you might want to seriously look over your decision making process!) Still, it's understandable that a game with large amounts of FMV is going to be quite linear regardless, and the game was possibly always going to have this issue by virtue of not really being an adventure game and more an interactive video styled thing.Aperamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13669724908141286435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-21196555644117547352016-08-24T05:01:53.970+10:002016-08-24T05:01:53.970+10:00To be fair on the video game, this same criticism ...To be fair on the video game, this same criticism applies to the board game as well. Jump to the right points and only those, and you miss out on a lot of interesting scenarios and writing. So in that sense the video game is exactly aping the board game experience. And those playing the board game have come to the same conclusion as well - that it's better not to compete with Holmes, and just instead absorb the full atmosphere and enjoy the entirety of the ride.Voltglosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07893726442063421240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-84130037494600006532016-08-24T04:59:38.650+10:002016-08-24T04:59:38.650+10:00There is unofficial errata available at boardgameg...There is unofficial errata available at boardgamegeek that is designed to fix the translation error I mention above for this case. There's also a fix for one of the other cases (similar problem - solution changed, clues didn't get changed to match up with it) included in that same errata.<br /><br />As I understand it, the issue is less "translation error" and more that when the new edition came out in English, they reverted to the already-existing English clue set - without taking into account that a couple of solutions, and accompanying relevant clues, were changed only in the French version.Voltglosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07893726442063421240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-18376261940293121192016-08-24T04:47:36.536+10:002016-08-24T04:47:36.536+10:00I think it's completely in character that we s...I think it's completely in character that we stumble around, finally finding enough evidence, while Holmes gets a few data points and leaps to the correct conclusion. That's exactly what he did in most of the original stories. Mere mortals must work considerably harder.<br /><br />I recommend ignoring the score and focusing on the charm of the text and dialogue. Treat Consulting Detective as a "role-playing" game in the original sense of playing a role, and enjoy the experience. You are not *supposed* to be able to compete with Holmes on time - he also visits the right people first.Corey Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16772474266362396768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-17731757255265076032016-08-24T04:34:38.498+10:002016-08-24T04:34:38.498+10:00I agree: if you rush to the solution, you miss mor...I agree: if you rush to the solution, you miss more than half of the videos, and what's the fun of that?<br /><br />I think this really works better as a multiplayer game, either competitive or cooperative, which are both possible with the board game, but not in the computer adaptation, sadly.<br /><br />The computer game still has a lot of charm, though. I wish they would release Steam remakes of the old volumes II and III, which I'd surely buy.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155410179950267253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-24267419483375510052016-08-24T03:31:07.127+10:002016-08-24T03:31:07.127+10:00This is why I scored as high as well. I wanted to ...This is why I scored as high as well. I wanted to visit every lead rather than do the Holmesian thing of trying to deduce the solution as quickly as possible.<br /><br />And honestly, I think the game suffers as a result. When the objective is to miss as much of your produced content as possible, it's not a good place for a game developer to be. I would have liked a mode where you got scored BETTER based on how many leads you followed up on, rather than WORSE.Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-38637310710632835402016-08-24T03:29:25.580+10:002016-08-24T03:29:25.580+10:00I own BOTH editions now: the original as well as t...I own BOTH editions now: the original as well as the recent reprint. I haven't even opened the latter, but the original game is very nice. I'm shocked if they changed the solution and may take a look at that later. I am considering doing a bonus (maybe with the rating) of the differences between the original version and this game-- but maybe I need to include the new one as well.<br /><br />My biggest surprise in the 10 minutes I've spent with the original is that you don't play as Holmes or Watson!Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-64426615062169244892016-08-24T03:23:38.329+10:002016-08-24T03:23:38.329+10:00I gotta say I agree on the problem of penalising e...I gotta say I agree on the problem of penalising exploration and part of murder mystery is to get the whole picture (Laura Bow is probably the best in that regard as you gotta replay it to get the full story so to speak) and that includes getting side stories that are only there for red herrings. Although how another murder case and smuggling story is an unexplored side quest basically goes beyond me. Solving that at the same time would have been better than handwaving it. A thing I noticed though with FMV murder games (that I've played) is that it is really hard not getting maximum points (this of course where more is better and if you can solve the puzzles) since most points are connected to talking and who wouldn't go through every option?Niklashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12994906056143612738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-55375046972287853522016-08-24T03:09:36.828+10:002016-08-24T03:09:36.828+10:00Fun fact #2: the board game (well, the republishe...Fun fact #2: the board game (well, the republished version at least) includes some "bonus points" to be scored if you run down subplots/subpoints in the mystery. In this case, the subplot/subpoint questions are:<br /><br />(1) Who killed Akram Fahmi?<br />(2) What "object passed from one pair of hands to the other in this case?"<br />(3) How were the victims killed?Voltglosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07893726442063421240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-19419074436887824192016-08-24T03:04:34.825+10:002016-08-24T03:04:34.825+10:00Researching more online, it seems like the game go...Researching more online, it seems like the game got off on the wrong foot starting with this case - I see quite a few other commenters finding Travis's motive to be weak compared to the murderers' motives in other cases, and observing that Holmes leapt to conclusions about certain articles having written by Travis.<br /><br />Also, note that the February lambasting article by the "Earl of Downey" (or, I guess, Turnbull using his father's name?) is *before* the August passive-aggressive article. We don't have whatever article triggered the February lambasting. But I guess the "important" part is for us to see "Earl of Downey lambasting reporter," and connect "Earl of Downey" to Turnbull and "reporter" to Travis.<br /><br />Fun fact: when the board game was recently republished (first in France and then translated to English), the solution to this mystery was changed. I won't reveal the changes, other than to note that (1) Turnbull was not killed by Travis; and (2) apparently the changes created a *different* kind of problem in the English translation, because the solution was still changed but the clues needed to deduce some of the changes did not get carried over in the translation. So players of the new English publication reach the same "Travis killed everyone" solution and wind up even more puzzled than we are right now, wondering how they missed out on [CHANGES TO SOLUTION REDACTED].Voltglosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07893726442063421240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-79577364840408553952016-08-24T02:27:36.152+10:002016-08-24T02:27:36.152+10:00It didn't spark murder in Turnbull, just a let...It didn't spark murder in Turnbull, just a letter to the newspaper. That letter's "Your reporter obviously has no appreciation for the significance of such a finding", on the other hand, DID drive Travis to murder. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155410179950267253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-6097761279183275452016-08-24T02:15:12.197+10:002016-08-24T02:15:12.197+10:00Yea. I think this is clearly what the game MEANT t...Yea. I think this is clearly what the game MEANT to imply. But I didn't read it as an attack, certainly not on his credentials. Not to the level that would have been necessary to spark murder. (Plus, the Turnbull vs his father issue still strikes me as being an error.)<br /><br />But all in all, this was a lot of fun. I hope I didn't imply otherwise! I feel bad that I had to go trial and error on this item but at least I am not alone in finding the evidence less than compelling.Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-34813784489771958142016-08-24T02:06:46.071+10:002016-08-24T02:06:46.071+10:00I didn't remember them from playing the game, ...I didn't remember them from playing the game, or anything. It's just that you explained them very well in this post and the one before, so when later in your post the names seemed to contradict what you said earlier, it jumped at me. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155410179950267253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-23438644626225994682016-08-24T01:57:57.286+10:002016-08-24T01:57:57.286+10:00My guess is that it's the article titled "...My guess is that it's the article titled "Recent Excavations in Egypt". It's not signed, but it's implied to be written by Travis, the paper's "Egypt correspondent".<br /><br />It's not very obvious, but the article seems to passive-agressively attack Turnbull for being more concerned about "profitable excavations" and "find[ing] and keep[ing] treasure", than about "restor[ing] to life the monuments of bygone times."<br /><br />The letter from the Earl is probably a response to that (implying that the Earl is indeed Turnbull, not his father).<br /><br />I hadn't really realized this until now, though; like I said, I had to guess Travis' motive for killing Turnbull by trial and error (the others are far easier.)<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155410179950267253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-25690869334927475122016-08-24T01:32:33.088+10:002016-08-24T01:32:33.088+10:00It's... so... hard. Sorry about the wrong name...It's... so... hard. Sorry about the wrong names, especially after I commented a few times on how difficult it was to keep them straight.<br /><br />I tried! :)Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-57298557693264401852016-08-24T01:31:56.884+10:002016-08-24T01:31:56.884+10:00The paper I am using is this one: https://ia601801...The paper I am using is this one: https://ia601801.us.archive.org/32/items/Sherlock_Holmes_Consulting_Detective_1991_ICOM_Simulations_newspaper/Sherlock_Holmes_Consulting_Detective_1991_ICOM_Simulations_newspaper.pdf<br /><br />I do not see TAHT article on the top of page 2, although there is one that is not a criticism. The only critical one that I found is the little one I embedded above which has the "Earl of Downey" signature which I think must be his father. Joe Pranevichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12997014242774219758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-22932297408900217922016-08-24T01:10:58.454+10:002016-08-24T01:10:58.454+10:00I haven't played this myself, but online sourc...I haven't played this myself, but online sources suggest there's a critical article about Turnbull by Travis at the top of page 2 of the August 17, 1888 newspaper.Voltglosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07893726442063421240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-56108011269975964022016-08-24T01:05:24.407+10:002016-08-24T01:05:24.407+10:00Great post, I loved reading it. :)
Just a couple ...Great post, I loved reading it. :)<br /><br />Just a couple of things:<br /><br /><i>He wasn’t picked for the expedition, but Windibank was.</i><br /><br />Weatherby. :)<br /><br /><i>was much more likely to kill Turnbull for that reason (because he made the selections)</i><br /><br />Windibank. :)<br /><br />I agree that the motive for Turnbull's death is very hard to spot (I had to use trial and error).<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10155410179950267253noreply@blogger.com