tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post2935964803975847718..comments2024-03-29T05:52:53.051+11:00Comments on The Adventurers Guild: Game 43: The Secret of Monkey Island - IntroductionThe Tricksterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01419316208187255801noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-14471854803065761052014-04-11T15:15:57.264+10:002014-04-11T15:15:57.264+10:00Or! One CAP per game, and I do the math for you?Or! One CAP per game, and I do the math for you?Canageekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770924810559440307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-67909943821544863022014-04-11T06:25:03.952+10:002014-04-11T06:25:03.952+10:00Lars-Erik: It always bugs me that games have such ...Lars-Erik: It always bugs me that games have such poor categories. They are much easier to classify then music, but there is no argument what genre Bach or Beethoven fall into. Even Mendelssohn is agreed to be early romantic, despite the very strong influences of the earlier era in his music. <br /><br />But games? No one agrees on games, and then you get huge arguments about "That is just semantics, what is the point, blah blah blah" <br /><br />The point is to make good comparisons, to show the influence over time, and so I can find similar games. i.e. if I like Nethack, the odds that I like ADOM, Angband, DoomRL are greatly increased. Which is why I dislike genre-dilution, as calling Rogue Legacy a Roguelike when it doesn't have the same similarity reduce the utility of the term Roguelike to describe a game I am also going to like.Canageekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770924810559440307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-5507985792858645722014-04-11T00:16:08.309+10:002014-04-11T00:16:08.309+10:00I know tSotMI won't probably get 81 but that&#...I know tSotMI won't probably get 81 but that's my guess as I'm late to the party! For me this game is in my top-5 adv games of all time and certainly top-10 games in general! The memories (CGA age) are incredible.Antonakishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07689804221175786522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-7513518441935186172014-04-10T20:01:42.376+10:002014-04-10T20:01:42.376+10:00This discussion feels really familiar (re: Is it c...This discussion feels really familiar (re: Is it clearly an adventure game? from when this blog was started and we discussed what an adventure game is).<br /><br />The (not a) problem with gaming is that games are inherently a creative product. As such, there will always be some games that neatly fall into groups, and plenty of games that clearly doesn't. <br /><br />I've played my share of hidden object games, and yes, some of them comes perilously close to being adventure games. I'm not sure we're going to find a clear definition that doesn't end up with gray areas, just because I'm not sure there's one to find.Lars-Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17853818944579785754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-40320113232197414212014-04-10T19:39:49.074+10:002014-04-10T19:39:49.074+10:00I would be interested. Then I could compare with m...I would be interested. Then I could compare with my own painfully awkward tries to make a Let's play (in spanish) :p (https://www.youtube.com/user/Deimarii/videos)Deimarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14617180555446326291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-43753398671144979012014-04-10T18:12:21.966+10:002014-04-10T18:12:21.966+10:00Cool, it sounds like some of them are a) valid tar...Cool, it sounds like some of them are a) valid targets for Trickster to play and b) worth CAPS here. However, as I don't know which ones are which, I'll leave that genre alone for others to figure out, unless someone asks me to keep an eye for when a certain game goes on sale.Canageekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770924810559440307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-86784244139255891412014-04-10T18:04:15.647+10:002014-04-10T18:04:15.647+10:00I play a lot of them (as in several dozen at least...I play a lot of them (as in several dozen at least, probably way more than I want to think about if I started counting), and almost all modern hidden object games have basic inventory puzzles and minigame-type puzzles in them. A few of them don't even have hidden object scenes, and are straight-up inventory puzzle/environment interaction games (Violet, Namariel: Lords of Iron, some mind-related one I can't remember the name of). Some of them are quite fun, but they are qualitatively different than the old Sierra/LucasArts/et al games... it's late in the night for me so I can't come up with a useful guideline about what makes them different than the games this blog covers (especially the oldest games), but there was a definite fork in the evolution of the genre that split off the Deponias/Night of the Rabbits etc from the Mystery Case File/Treasure Hunter etc. casual games. If anyone else is familiar with the subgenre, it might be fun to hash out some distinction that clearly separates the two.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08768205595171582170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-26277274853416626692014-04-10T17:11:50.594+10:002014-04-10T17:11:50.594+10:00Just to add to the confusion, there are some hybri...Just to add to the confusion, there are some hybrid hidden object/adventure games too (A lot of the later Mystery Case Files and the Big Finish casual games, for example) They're still very clearly casual games though so not a lot of overlapTBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815382857422719383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-52089680448259470552014-04-10T17:06:30.866+10:002014-04-10T17:06:30.866+10:00Nah, hidden object games are not adventure games f...Nah, hidden object games are not adventure games for me, they're casual puzzle games. There's nothing wrong in that, but shouldn't be lumped in with adventure games. Talking of which, I might have to clean those out from Wikipedia's adventure game list as well.Lars-Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17853818944579785754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-74698527599431652512014-04-10T17:04:20.222+10:002014-04-10T17:04:20.222+10:00Bloody facts! Always proving my assumptions totall...Bloody facts! Always proving my assumptions totally wrong :)TBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815382857422719383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-3950469867037121482014-04-10T16:40:04.576+10:002014-04-10T16:40:04.576+10:00Man, Steam is flooded with hidden object games as ...Man, Steam is flooded with hidden object games as of late. They look so pretty, but I'm pretty sure they aren't really adventure games. What do you lot think?Canageekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770924810559440307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-959439239981888662014-04-10T15:37:54.688+10:002014-04-10T15:37:54.688+10:00Hey Trickster, would I get any CAPS for live strea...Hey Trickster, would I get any CAPS for live streaming an adventure game then uploading the recording to YouTube? Would anyone be interested in watching a newbie adventure game player stumble through an adventure game live?Canageekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770924810559440307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-14923997848868421862014-04-10T15:27:42.146+10:002014-04-10T15:27:42.146+10:00Fair; How about this; 5 CAPS up to the current lim...Fair; How about this; 5 CAPS up to the current limit, then 1 CAP per additional sale? That way I don't zoom ahead of everyone else, but I still get something for reading hundreds of steam sales searching for one adventure game? <br /><br />I'll also keep busking for tips by writing funny things about games. I'm also willing to modify my sale presentation based on what information you guys want, in order to make finding the sales worth the CAPs I get. Canageekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03770924810559440307noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-24750077917037667942014-04-10T15:05:22.829+10:002014-04-10T15:05:22.829+10:00@TBD: Nah, the EGA version was made first and then...@TBD: Nah, the EGA version was made first and then upgraded to VGA. There's interviews where the origninal artists only talk about using 16 colours (<a href="http://mixnmojo.com/features/sitefeatures/LucasArts-Secret-History-The-Secret-of-Monkey-Island/7" rel="nofollow">Here</a> and <a href="http://www.worldofmi.com/features/interview/purcell.php" rel="nofollow">here</a>.) The VGA version credits extra people for converting to VGA (as noted in the blog above). The EGA art direction is more consistent (for example, EGA Elaine in your comparison actually looks like the cover art, with the same kind of black curly hair and facial proportions, and is probably drawn by Purcell). There's things accidentally left in EGA in the VGA version, and graphical effects that are in EGA but weren't bothered to be redone in VGA.Laukkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258625692586860655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-87262449723928621212014-04-10T14:57:23.116+10:002014-04-10T14:57:23.116+10:00Whoops. I took a hiatus from reading this blog but...Whoops. I took a hiatus from reading this blog but managed to get through the backlog just in time to catch up with Monkey Island. I'm planning to play along, albeit with the remake. Of course I caught up over the weekend and then promptly forgot to check the blog again until now. :/<br /><br />I'll guess 74 because it looks to be free, although I believe it will actually score higher.Schidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17752195520171352315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-71245835561240887592014-04-10T10:32:20.620+10:002014-04-10T10:32:20.620+10:00I was going to remind you, but kept forgetting. ;)...I was going to remind you, but kept forgetting. ;)Zenic Reveriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16441583549326102945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-49013978756741609602014-04-10T10:30:51.700+10:002014-04-10T10:30:51.700+10:00Still prefer the EGA look of Monkey Island, but wo...Still prefer the EGA look of Monkey Island, but wow, what a difference between those Zac McCracken shots.Zenic Reveriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16441583549326102945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-90159193087978850342014-04-10T09:53:38.911+10:002014-04-10T09:53:38.911+10:00I wouldn't be surprised if the reason the VGA ...I wouldn't be surprised if the reason the VGA version was released later was a marketing tactic and VGA and EGA versions were actually ready for release at the same time. The staggered release could keep the game on store shelves longer and possibly sell 2 copies to the someone who liked the game enough.<br /><br />It actually looks to me more like the VGA graphics were done first and then the automatic downgrade Laukku posted was edited to make it look better.<br /><br />Zac McCracken, for example, definitely looks like the art was done separately<br /><br />http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/zak-mckracken-and-the-alien-mindbenders/screenshots/gameShotId,8117/<br /><br />http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/zak-mckracken-and-the-alien-mindbenders/screenshots/gameShotId,8124/<br /><br />It looks to me that in Monkey Island only the closeups were done separately.<br /><br />http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/secret-of-monkey-island/screenshots/gameShotId,318378/<br /><br />http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/secret-of-monkey-island/screenshots/gameShotId,318377/<br /><br />Now I'll wait for someone to point out an interview with one of the developers that proves my guess is completely wrong.TBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815382857422719383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-25016242562781020502014-04-10T06:52:58.159+10:002014-04-10T06:52:58.159+10:00Bugs? don't think I found any.
It's a gen...Bugs? don't think I found any.<br /><br />It's a generally good game. Fun, occasionally humorous and a bit short. Doesn't make much of the ability to switch between the two characters (I felt they should perhaps have forced switching at certain specific points).<br /><br />I wrote about it here (spoilers though): http://playedbypanthro.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/indie-gaming-broken-age-part-1-review.htmlAndy_Panthrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18231815646876343380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-54670920932413159462014-04-10T05:02:50.774+10:002014-04-10T05:02:50.774+10:00For what those are, they aren't half bad in a ...For what those are, they aren't half bad in a small dose. I can't imagine I'd be able to finish the game like that though.Zenic Reveriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16441583549326102945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-69712949661776253682014-04-10T03:36:43.136+10:002014-04-10T03:36:43.136+10:00Hopefully it's obvious that I was joking and T...Hopefully it's obvious that I was joking and Trickster doesn't actually follow my "suggestion". It could be worse, he could decide to play the game with <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwvD20n1sZE" rel="nofollow">CGA</a> or <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkwLAnRf3SA" rel="nofollow">Hercules</a> graphics and the internal speaker.<br /><br />But I do wonder why LucasArts didn't make the game in VGA in the first place, if they bothered to program EGA support in their VGA games anyway. Maybe because only the EGA version supports CGA and Hercules.Laukkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16258625692586860655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-52633456159317659742014-04-10T02:09:09.040+10:002014-04-10T02:09:09.040+10:00Please don't do what Laukku suggests... it loo...Please don't do what Laukku suggests... it looks atrocious:D<br /><br />I like reading about the differences and how things change between versions, so please do note along.Zenic Reveriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16441583549326102945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-34273597848019212772014-04-09T20:42:22.763+10:002014-04-09T20:42:22.763+10:00@Ilmari: I realised today that I probably should d...@Ilmari: I realised today that I probably should do a CAP Distribution update for the Circuit's Edge posts, so will pay out Zenic at that time.<br /><br />So much admin!The Tricksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419316208187255801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-3044009747427540632014-04-09T20:40:37.099+10:002014-04-09T20:40:37.099+10:00There's every chance that I missed a few, but ...There's every chance that I missed a few, but at the same time, I really don't want to get caught up arguing over whether or not a particular release on Steam should be considered an adventure game or not. I've generally given CAPs for each sale or announcement, rather than for each game in it, but if you announce a sale containing fifteen adventure games (with your own commentary to go with it), I've been been a bit more generous. I don't think listing fifteen games on sale at once justifies 75 CAPs though, which is where the problem may lie.<br /><br />I really do appreciate all the effort you put in, so perhaps there's a different approach we could take, similar to the 20 CAPs per game award I give to Lars-Erik. I'd happily give you a set amount of CAPs per game to be our GOG / Steam release / sale announcer, but then what happens when others beat you to the punch or you have some time away? More thought needed...The Tricksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419316208187255801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-15717420096590506082014-04-09T20:38:54.151+10:002014-04-09T20:38:54.151+10:00Hmmmm…. Has Zenic still got any CAPs for guest blo...Hmmmm…. Has Zenic still got any CAPs for guest blogging?Ilmari Jauhiainenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01655841880034965950noreply@blogger.com