tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post1053991358033293242..comments2024-03-29T05:52:53.051+11:00Comments on The Adventurers Guild: Game 28: Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade - The Holy FailThe Tricksterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01419316208187255801noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-8081758830297768982013-02-09T06:00:10.822+11:002013-02-09T06:00:10.822+11:00Never mind, obviously I can't even figure out ...Never mind, obviously I can't even figure out what post is the most recent anymore, already posted. :pLars-Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17853818944579785754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-62371870973315278542013-02-09T05:58:03.851+11:002013-02-09T05:58:03.851+11:00And I'm back again? Going to read through some...And I'm back again? Going to read through some posts and comments, but first there's this:<br /><br />http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/redthread/dreamfall-chapters-the-longest-journeyLars-Erikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17853818944579785754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-26128768428686096712013-01-30T05:34:18.879+11:002013-01-30T05:34:18.879+11:00Perhaps so! :)Perhaps so! :)archivishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01475550475336272619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-770106609570258542013-01-29T05:12:10.470+11:002013-01-29T05:12:10.470+11:00By sheer coincidence, my wife decided to watch thi...By sheer coincidence, my wife decided to watch this movie last night. I was sitting in the adjourning room playing a board game. It seems that the game makes the maze-hunting and puzzle-solving twice as long and skips all the fun action sequences in between. Not that I'd want a bunch of mini-games in this point-and-click adventure (the one that exists is horrid enough), but it's a shame to skip those sequences entirely.<br /><br />Anyway, the Nazis always seem to be a backdrop for the actual villain of the movies. Last Crusade is really all about Vogel/Donovan while Raiders is really Belloq with a bit of Toht/Dietrich. Their "stooges" just happen to be Nazis and what else would they be during World War II? Hell, the main villains are Donovan and Belloq who happen to be using the Nazis for their own designs. Spielburg's realistic take on the Nazis can be found in Schindler's List and that tone/mood doesn't belong in Indiana Jones at all! :)Cush1978https://www.blogger.com/profile/09176113111548747865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-33218470616938253142013-01-29T02:10:03.835+11:002013-01-29T02:10:03.835+11:00@Charles: I'll have to re-watch the movie. For...@Charles: I'll have to re-watch the movie. For some reason, I felt that they were <i>way</i> more effective as evil baddies in <i>Raiders</i> than in <i>Last Crusade</i>. And agreed on <i>Temple of Doom</i> not being, ah, little-kid appropriate.<br /><br />@Ilmari: I suppose they work better cartoony for adventure game purposes. You raise good points regarding effective scriptwriting. I don't mean to harp on this, it's a whole other discussion and I don't want to hijack this thread any more than I already have.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16946742995687817751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-73698906615955249052013-01-28T22:42:30.013+11:002013-01-28T22:42:30.013+11:00I'd defend the cartoonish feel of the nazis in...I'd defend the cartoonish feel of the nazis in the game. It's pretty hard to make believable evil characters, especially if you are going to have dialogue with them and not just shoot them without questions. If you'd give them believable motivations, they'd might become characters you might have sympathy with, and if you'd make them realistically portrayed sadistic psychopaths - well, I don't think that would be light entertainment anymore (at least it would be difficult to be entertained when watching/playing it).<br /><br />The easiest option is to make them cartoonish - either ridiculous slapstick goons or then BIG BADDIES with manic laugh and ferocious gaze. If laughing at nazis is not your thing, fine, but this strategy has a lot of history in movies and TV, even before Last Crusade (Allo, allo! is a good example).<br /><br />Besides, most of the nazis you meet in the castle are lower level baddies, so they probably won't have that much on their consciousness - they are more like pathetical henchmen than evil leaders.Ilmari Jauhiainenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01655841880034965950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-58590214324623056632013-01-28T14:04:31.223+11:002013-01-28T14:04:31.223+11:00I'd say the space time continuum is much more ...I'd say the space time continuum is much more in peril due to me fighting and defeating just about every one of them, only to use a time machine to go back and avoid combat.<br /><br />Perhaps F5 stands for Flux Capacitor!The Tricksterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01419316208187255801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-62041367824850877802013-01-28T13:19:57.323+11:002013-01-28T13:19:57.323+11:00Hmm... while I see what you mean and agree that th...Hmm... while I see what you mean and agree that the in-game nazis are rather cartoonish, I think they came across as pretty evil in the movie. At least I can't remember any blatant slapstick or instances of fisticuffs with drunken goofballs. The book burning scene, however, always struck me as a little too much.<br /><br />Also, I'm not sure that I would qualify the first two films as family-friendly... Last Crusade is indeed much tamer, except a few final scenes at the temple.Charleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04860506019349657883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-44168514600170753422013-01-28T11:14:35.097+11:002013-01-28T11:14:35.097+11:00A little off-topic, but one problem I had with the...A little off-topic, but one problem I had with the movie this game was based on--and which is actually reflected in this game--is that the portrayal of the Nazis was a little too cartoony. I know that the Indiana Jones movies are supposed to be family-friendly entertainment, and that the Nazis are neither admirable nor worthy of respect, but these people were <i>evil</i>. I just didn't like the almost goofy way they were portrayed. I understand that the idea was to hold them up to (much-deserved) ridicule, but it still rubbed me the wrong way.<br /><br />Okay, rant over. Thank you for indulging. Back to adventure gaming. This game seems like a lot of fun, despite the trial-and-error nature of some puzzles.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16946742995687817751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-75599429621499633152013-01-27T22:35:56.704+11:002013-01-27T22:35:56.704+11:00One reason for swinging Indy with the whip: it'...One reason for swinging Indy with the whip: it's in the movie.Ilmari Jauhiainenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01655841880034965950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-5681011683931459392013-01-27T15:28:12.247+11:002013-01-27T15:28:12.247+11:00I don't think there's any requirement to g...I don't think there's any requirement to go upstairs using the trellis, apart from giving an alternate solution to something you've already discovered. Gur ebbz vf nynezrq. V'q fnl lbh pna rvgure tb va guebhtu gur jvaqbj be bcra gur sebag qbbe vs lbh'ir qvfnoyrq gur nynez.<br /><br />I never found the brick inside the room so never got to the trellis, despite being certain I was supposed to somehow.<br /><br />I also never got into the painting vault so that's not necessary either.<br /><br />It reminds me a bit of Police Quest 2 with the amount of optional puzzles/information that could make later parts a bit easier or open up a future alternate solution.<br /><br />I just wish most of the alternate solutions didn't require fist fights :)TBDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13815382857422719383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-61247829788280980332013-01-27T12:45:31.003+11:002013-01-27T12:45:31.003+11:00Would it make you feel any better if I told you I ...Would it make you feel any better if I told you I punched dozens of them? I'm sure I made up for Trickster's pacifism!Andy_Panthrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18231815646876343380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-90862830496500813502013-01-27T12:44:52.001+11:002013-01-27T12:44:52.001+11:00Spoilers for the security room: Lbh unira'g tb...Spoilers for the security room: Lbh unira'g tbg gur evtug vgrz gb trg cnfg guvf thl, fb V'z nsenvq lbh'yy unir gb svtug uvz (be abg, V qvqa'g obgure, ohg gung tvirf lbh bgure ceboyrzf). Gur vgrz arrqrq jnf n obbx sebz gur yvoenel, Zrva Xnzcs.<br /><br />I'm glad you're having a good time with this section, there are a lot of puzzles and a few different ways to get around, which is quite nice.<br /><br />Hint for the painting: Erzrzore gubfr vafpevcgvbaf lbh sbhaq rneyvre?Andy_Panthrohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18231815646876343380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3387495443226852794.post-15467986962097762072013-01-27T12:37:38.250+11:002013-01-27T12:37:38.250+11:00Do you have ANY idea how against the flow your ste...Do you have ANY idea how against the flow your steadfast refusal to punch a Nazi is? Entire games are built on that notion! You are going to cause a collapse of the space time continuum if you persist!archivishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01475550475336272619noreply@blogger.com